The Nord Stream 1 and Nord Stream 2 pipelines under the Baltic Sea have been sabotaged. Multiple undersea explosions ruptured both lines. Neither one was operating at the time of the explosions, but the damage obviously means that they will not be able to provide natural gas from Russia to Western Europe anytime soon. The key question now is – who did it?
Hope is just that..hope. It seems very clear that the US and NATO are behind this attack. Putin had nothing to gain from this because, as you say, he turned off the spigot. It's hard to believe the UK, Poland, Norway, and Denmark were not informed of the plan. If they did object, did it matter? These "think tank warriors" are pushing us into hot war with Russia.
Yes, the war in Ukraine is awful and Putin is a bad man; but you're ignoring the decades long provocation of Putin by the West. Those promises made to Gorbachev were broken repeatedly. NATO is on the Russian border. A couple weeks (days?) before Russian tanks rolled across the Ukrainian border, Harris was in region talking about Ukraine joining NATO. The same lunatics that are pushing us towards war now were involved in the color revolution in 2014 that forced the pro-Russian government out.
Would you be comfortable with Russian or Chinese armed forces on our borders?
Would you be comfortable with Russian or Chinese war ships in the Gulf of Mexico or along the East or West Coast?
I used to believe that my country was acting for the good. I've been red pilled by the pandemic. Once you see it, you can't unsee it. My country...our country...has been "spreading democracy" for power and profit for decades now. We need to stop.
I hope that Putin understands, despite the provocations that will continue, that the American people do not want war. We are powerless to stop the lunatics running our so-called foreign policy.
Would you be comfortable with a Russia that invades Ukraine because it's afraid that you're on its door step? Imagine Russia takes all of Ukraine. Now you're still on its doorstep. What does that actually accomplish other than Russian geopolitical empowerment?
Biden's (handlers') non-denial denial is telling. Especially in light of the videos making the rounds of Biden's earlier statements about taking out the pipeline(s).
That video, in turn, brings to mind Biden's pre-2020 election declaration about having the largest vote fraud operation ever (or something to that effect). We now know that they did, and successfully executed its intended purpose, and prevented the duly-elected President from taking office.
I'm no expert on international law or the rules of war, but it seems to me that if the U.S. did in fact sabotage those pipelines, it could well constitute an act of war.
God help us, this is all starting to feel like the summer of 1914 ...
Watching Monkeywerx on YouTube today, he used Spyglass app to track a US Navy subhunter, originating in the US. It flew to the area in late night, did a mid air refuel maneuver, spiraled to a lower altitude in the area of the pipeline, then returned across the Atlantic to the US. Smoking Gun? Perhaps. Maybe a submarine attacked the lines. Maybe not. View the video for yourself.
unconfirmed media reports claim the CIA warned germany of pipeline sabotage prior to the attacks. there really is no "smoking gun" yet. only the court of public opinion. this is somewhat reminiscent of 9/11 already in which the warnings may have been given by various international intelligence agencies and their sources but the warnings were largely ignored and maybe rightfully so if you don't know the exact time and place of an attack across a broad attack area.
i've seen reports from amateur sleuths saying that a US or Russian sub is highly unlikely to ingress and egress into the involved territories without detection from tightly wound clusters of SOSUS arrays. however, that's not to say no submarine could possibly traverse the fields undetected. there are almost certainly ways such as by mimicking the biological signatures sea mammals, a technology China stole from American researchers and likely sold to Russia. this would be the acoustic equivalent of creating false radar signatures.
i'd sincerely doubt that a P3 Orion or whatever would attack the pipeline with SoF divers or, worse, some sort of depth charge. the depth charge M.O. any lacks medium-term plausible deniability whatsoever. The signatures of a depth charge will be incredibly obvious. Extracting a paradropped SoF team without a nearby submarine after the attacks also seems excessively difficult to the extent that you may as well blame a submarine crew anyway.
Anytime you have a large number of people suddenly jumping to conclusions of certainty based on a lack of credible evidence you can bet that the groundwork for your thoughts has already been laid before the event occurred. Yes, it looks like America is complicit on the surface to the amateurish analyst. It looks like Russia has no clear motive. It looks like China would have no clear motive either.
Yet, you cannot presently detach Chinese culpability and strategy from the equation due to their increasingly close military, intelligence, and diplomatic ties to Russia. In Ukraine, Russia is presently laying the groundwork for what a Western response to a Taiwan invasion is likely to look like while also removing even more moral and intellectual moorings from global peacetime norms. China can also tighten its alliances with Russia by framing America in order to control international public opinion and give Russian politicians a sense of grave uncertainty regarding their NATO's "approved" tactics and timing of near-imminent war preparations. More significantly, Russia can potentially benefit from a false flag that pushes blame on America in order to UNDERMINE the NATO alliance to the point of fracturing it from its main funding sources and rearranging present-day and prospective alliances based on lack of trust and increasing, even if profoundly ignorant, demands for distance from NATO by the plebiscites.
It's also not like Russia wouldn't know that they'd be cutting off German access to their own war funding source simply by intensifying the Ukrainian conflict while also openly being in the process of mobilizing an army for what could well be a broader military deception targeting Europe. Meanwhile, China by all appearances is also implementing military, food supply, strategic control of mining resources, civil policy, and diplomatic venom suggestive of pre-war preparations for a near-term conflict.
In other words, the West would likely have shut down the pipeline and condemned Germany and other recipients through diplomatic measures regardless for their ill fated and now opportunistic enrichment of Russia via the pipelines. Therefore, Russia loses very little through the strategic sabotage of its own pipelines. Yes, the damage may take months to repair the pipelines but the damage appears relatively minor by intention. But now you have set a new norm for first strikes on civil infrastructure before the mass movements of soldiers onto kinetic battlefields.
I read this just the other day. I’m no natural gas engineer, but I understand the concepts of what Lawdog postulates. Before the world goes off half-cocked trying to place blame, everyone needs to take a collective deep breath.
I'm now wondering why companies/corporations and bankers are not being pointed at as the possible saboteurs... In fact, they VERY LIKELY ARE the saboteurs. B/c we know the WEF & their buddies are behind all this destruction & chaos going on - so they can kill a bunch of us off, and usher the rest into utter enslavement. And, who benefits the MOST from disruptions, destruction, and chaos???? COMPANIES/CORPORATIONS AND BANKERS. They're behind ALL modern wars, b/c it's extremely profitable, and provides them many opportunities to get bigger and more powerful. Therefore, let's point some fingers at THEM.
its become impossible to differentiate the malevolent billionaire (or dedicated millionaire), the brilliant lone-wolf technician, the transnational terrorism or crime gang, and the nation-state without time consuming and through investigations. even then you need to contend with propaganda machines the court of public opinion that seek to create enough competing narratives to further entrench partisan populations and obscure the real facts from ever reaching domestic mainstream awareness.
suffice to say, such attacks may be done without the assistance of nation-state support, however unlikely this may be in the case of the Norstream pipelines, due to the empowerment of individuals by modern technical means. This is especially applicable to an emerging class of cyberwarfare tools and biological and chemical weapons. The billionaires on the other hand can also readily manipulate entire national economies. we're in the land of the false flag for profit and for power.
Hope is just that..hope. It seems very clear that the US and NATO are behind this attack. Putin had nothing to gain from this because, as you say, he turned off the spigot. It's hard to believe the UK, Poland, Norway, and Denmark were not informed of the plan. If they did object, did it matter? These "think tank warriors" are pushing us into hot war with Russia.
Yes, the war in Ukraine is awful and Putin is a bad man; but you're ignoring the decades long provocation of Putin by the West. Those promises made to Gorbachev were broken repeatedly. NATO is on the Russian border. A couple weeks (days?) before Russian tanks rolled across the Ukrainian border, Harris was in region talking about Ukraine joining NATO. The same lunatics that are pushing us towards war now were involved in the color revolution in 2014 that forced the pro-Russian government out.
Would you be comfortable with Russian or Chinese armed forces on our borders?
Would you be comfortable with Russian or Chinese war ships in the Gulf of Mexico or along the East or West Coast?
I used to believe that my country was acting for the good. I've been red pilled by the pandemic. Once you see it, you can't unsee it. My country...our country...has been "spreading democracy" for power and profit for decades now. We need to stop.
I hope that Putin understands, despite the provocations that will continue, that the American people do not want war. We are powerless to stop the lunatics running our so-called foreign policy.
https://www.unz.com/pescobar/germany-and-eu-have-been-handed-over-a-declaration-of-war/
Would you be comfortable with a Russia that invades Ukraine because it's afraid that you're on its door step? Imagine Russia takes all of Ukraine. Now you're still on its doorstep. What does that actually accomplish other than Russian geopolitical empowerment?
You should familiarize yourself with the agreements made between Gorbachev and the West in the 90s. We...the US and NATO...broke every promise made.
Has it occurred to you that Russia sees the US and NATO as an existential threat?
Has it occurred to you that the West and the globalists want to break Russia and bring it under control?
I'm not defending Putin. I'm making clear that we...the US and NATO...are responsible for the carnage in Ukraine.
We need to stop breaking countries by "spreading democracy" for power and profit (Iraq, Syria, Libya). It's time.
Biden's (handlers') non-denial denial is telling. Especially in light of the videos making the rounds of Biden's earlier statements about taking out the pipeline(s).
That video, in turn, brings to mind Biden's pre-2020 election declaration about having the largest vote fraud operation ever (or something to that effect). We now know that they did, and successfully executed its intended purpose, and prevented the duly-elected President from taking office.
I'm no expert on international law or the rules of war, but it seems to me that if the U.S. did in fact sabotage those pipelines, it could well constitute an act of war.
God help us, this is all starting to feel like the summer of 1914 ...
can you explain what you mean by "non-denial denials"?
are you saying that anytime a democrat says they didn't do something or accuses you of doing something, it means they did do that thing?
i mean, i wouldn't disagree regarding the current Regime.
Watching Monkeywerx on YouTube today, he used Spyglass app to track a US Navy subhunter, originating in the US. It flew to the area in late night, did a mid air refuel maneuver, spiraled to a lower altitude in the area of the pipeline, then returned across the Atlantic to the US. Smoking Gun? Perhaps. Maybe a submarine attacked the lines. Maybe not. View the video for yourself.
unconfirmed media reports claim the CIA warned germany of pipeline sabotage prior to the attacks. there really is no "smoking gun" yet. only the court of public opinion. this is somewhat reminiscent of 9/11 already in which the warnings may have been given by various international intelligence agencies and their sources but the warnings were largely ignored and maybe rightfully so if you don't know the exact time and place of an attack across a broad attack area.
i've seen reports from amateur sleuths saying that a US or Russian sub is highly unlikely to ingress and egress into the involved territories without detection from tightly wound clusters of SOSUS arrays. however, that's not to say no submarine could possibly traverse the fields undetected. there are almost certainly ways such as by mimicking the biological signatures sea mammals, a technology China stole from American researchers and likely sold to Russia. this would be the acoustic equivalent of creating false radar signatures.
i'd sincerely doubt that a P3 Orion or whatever would attack the pipeline with SoF divers or, worse, some sort of depth charge. the depth charge M.O. any lacks medium-term plausible deniability whatsoever. The signatures of a depth charge will be incredibly obvious. Extracting a paradropped SoF team without a nearby submarine after the attacks also seems excessively difficult to the extent that you may as well blame a submarine crew anyway.
https://thelawdogfiles.com/
Alternative view and I personally hope this is it as opposed to us pushing another countries buttons.
Anytime you have a large number of people suddenly jumping to conclusions of certainty based on a lack of credible evidence you can bet that the groundwork for your thoughts has already been laid before the event occurred. Yes, it looks like America is complicit on the surface to the amateurish analyst. It looks like Russia has no clear motive. It looks like China would have no clear motive either.
Yet, you cannot presently detach Chinese culpability and strategy from the equation due to their increasingly close military, intelligence, and diplomatic ties to Russia. In Ukraine, Russia is presently laying the groundwork for what a Western response to a Taiwan invasion is likely to look like while also removing even more moral and intellectual moorings from global peacetime norms. China can also tighten its alliances with Russia by framing America in order to control international public opinion and give Russian politicians a sense of grave uncertainty regarding their NATO's "approved" tactics and timing of near-imminent war preparations. More significantly, Russia can potentially benefit from a false flag that pushes blame on America in order to UNDERMINE the NATO alliance to the point of fracturing it from its main funding sources and rearranging present-day and prospective alliances based on lack of trust and increasing, even if profoundly ignorant, demands for distance from NATO by the plebiscites.
It's also not like Russia wouldn't know that they'd be cutting off German access to their own war funding source simply by intensifying the Ukrainian conflict while also openly being in the process of mobilizing an army for what could well be a broader military deception targeting Europe. Meanwhile, China by all appearances is also implementing military, food supply, strategic control of mining resources, civil policy, and diplomatic venom suggestive of pre-war preparations for a near-term conflict.
In other words, the West would likely have shut down the pipeline and condemned Germany and other recipients through diplomatic measures regardless for their ill fated and now opportunistic enrichment of Russia via the pipelines. Therefore, Russia loses very little through the strategic sabotage of its own pipelines. Yes, the damage may take months to repair the pipelines but the damage appears relatively minor by intention. But now you have set a new norm for first strikes on civil infrastructure before the mass movements of soldiers onto kinetic battlefields.
I read this just the other day. I’m no natural gas engineer, but I understand the concepts of what Lawdog postulates. Before the world goes off half-cocked trying to place blame, everyone needs to take a collective deep breath.
I'm now wondering why companies/corporations and bankers are not being pointed at as the possible saboteurs... In fact, they VERY LIKELY ARE the saboteurs. B/c we know the WEF & their buddies are behind all this destruction & chaos going on - so they can kill a bunch of us off, and usher the rest into utter enslavement. And, who benefits the MOST from disruptions, destruction, and chaos???? COMPANIES/CORPORATIONS AND BANKERS. They're behind ALL modern wars, b/c it's extremely profitable, and provides them many opportunities to get bigger and more powerful. Therefore, let's point some fingers at THEM.
its become impossible to differentiate the malevolent billionaire (or dedicated millionaire), the brilliant lone-wolf technician, the transnational terrorism or crime gang, and the nation-state without time consuming and through investigations. even then you need to contend with propaganda machines the court of public opinion that seek to create enough competing narratives to further entrench partisan populations and obscure the real facts from ever reaching domestic mainstream awareness.
suffice to say, such attacks may be done without the assistance of nation-state support, however unlikely this may be in the case of the Norstream pipelines, due to the empowerment of individuals by modern technical means. This is especially applicable to an emerging class of cyberwarfare tools and biological and chemical weapons. The billionaires on the other hand can also readily manipulate entire national economies. we're in the land of the false flag for profit and for power.